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Jeffrey Chamberlain's avatar

It is wonderful; the way you play with the same self referential style of reasoning that I think is a core element of Godel's incompleteness theorem in literary terms through the transitional paragraph where the narrator (it reads like you are the narrator) riffs about being a liar.

I've not read the book, but I'm sure it elsewhere must address the fact that Godel's theorem and Turing's own proof about determining the runtime of a program are equivalent as well. Which deepens what that paragraph is suggesting further.

Janna Levin's avatar

This is a very astute reading. Thank you. The structure, exactly as you surmised, is inspired by the self-referential theorems.

geo GELLER's avatar

Hmmm talking about Madmen and Madness, I live in the promised land of dreams on an imaginary island called Mad-Hattan island

But first in your "So this whole story about Truth is a Lie" a Gordian Orwellian Gödelian knot, which reminded me of the existential American military motto: "your's is not to question why, but to do and die"

and fyi I died and was reborn after reading your wonderful amusing musings about Madman's Dreams - and in a epiphany moment out of my own private absurdness I entered your whirlpool of myth-illogical (fictional) metaphors when I saw "So this whole story about Truth is a Lie. The liar says, This is a lie" - which tickled my imagination and reminded me, of a once upon a time, I once met a woman who said " I couldn't believe anything she said because she was a liar" which begs the question was she telling the truth? or was she lying?" - I'm lying in wait for your answer ?

And then again you write "Gödel’s psychotic delusions"

to which and further more, I'm compelled to respond, my work in progress documentary: "Puzzler's" about what makes great artist, great writers, great scientist, great philosophers, great puzzlers and responds to your statement about "Gödel’s psychotic delusions" is "Survival Mechanisms" and what also drives, compels, propels you and Gödel and Turing, and Benoit Mandelbrot (who could "visualize fractal equations") and Madman's Dream is a survival mechanism! To escape the inescapable, which is the stuff of dreams and inventions - that makes the world and our world go round and round too

Food for thought

Janna Levin's avatar

An inspired response. Thank you.

Gregory Keyes's avatar

I felt the claustrophobia. A Claude Shannon novel next?